Crush Cast with Jess and Steph
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Crush Cast with Jess and Steph
Cravings, Quirks, and Nostalgia (aka: Resilience and Retro Revelry)
Ever get hit with a craving for something so bizarre, it makes your friends do a double-take? That's the flavor of mischief we're serving up in our latest episode, where we discuss everything from our oddest food cravings to our first concert experiences. We're going on our second date with our listeners and maybe the first for some of you, So, we're doing 20 questions (more like 12) and getting to know each other better.
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Hey y'all, welcome to another edition of Crushcast. It's me, Jess Lopez.
Speaker 2:It's a me. It's a me Sorry.
Speaker 1:I am joined by my lovely wife.
Speaker 2:And I'm Steph Lopez, and today we're going to be doing something similar to 20 Questions. We'll see if we get to all 20, probably not, but since we're kind of getting to know each other not us, we know each other very well, yes, but since we're getting to know you and you're getting to know us, here we have it. So let's jump in. One of my favorite things to do has always been to play games. I really like to play board games. I know that's not really a thing that you're into, even though you always win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1:I win a lot of times, and it's not even with cheating.
Speaker 2:Monopoly. I can't stand to play Monopoly with you because you're like you know I'm not very good at it. And then you buy all of the real estate.
Speaker 1:That's all I do. I just buy everything. I hope for the best.
Speaker 2:Win, win, win, no matter what. That's you. That's what I heard you say just now. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:My first question for you is did you have a nickname growing up? And if you did, what was it and how did you get that name?
Speaker 2:Okay, so it was Step On Me and it was because my name is Stephanie and because kids and because they were rude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that does sound very rude.
Speaker 2:That's how that goes. But I mean, in all honesty, I probably I think I thought it was funny and I'm not mad about it Did you have a nickname when you were growing up? And if you did, how did you get it?
Speaker 1:I did have a nickname growing up. I went to a Catholic school in Waco, st Mary's, and they had like a soccer team and I played on there and one of the coaches, sister Pat, I remember her name. Sister Pat was pretty impressed with my abilities, with my kicking abilities, and so she called me Leadfoot and as far as I knew, I was the only person who had a nickname like that, like a favorable nickname.
Speaker 2:So what Pat didn't know is that that was prophetic, because you still have a leadfoot only now, when you're driving.
Speaker 1:And only when it's just me driving.
Speaker 2:Good job, Sister Pat. Question two what is the weirdest food combination that you enjoy?
Speaker 1:This one is courtesy of my mom. She showed this to me a long time ago and it just kind of stuck, and every once in a while I'll still enjoy it. It is Fritos with lemon juice.
Speaker 2:How have I not known this? And we've been married this whole time. I've never seen you eat it. We have.
Speaker 1:I have before. It's very rare.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The times I have it they're very few and far between. But yeah, Fritos and lemon juice, it sounds weird and I think it was something my mom would eat when she was pregnant with me and it just kind of stuck and then when I was a young child, after I was born, she introduced it to me.
Speaker 2:Right after you were born.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wasn't fed with milk, I was fed with Fritos and lemon juice. You know, when I was probably around I guess around four or five or so she was like you need to try this because it's really good. So I was like, yeah, this is good.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So what about you? Do you have a?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do. One time I was visiting my cousin and she said that we should try Cheetos with mustard. She'd already had it. I don't know who introduced that to her, but actually she put it on bread and I didn't think we needed to bring bread into that situation.
Speaker 2:Personally, so I thought no, I was like no, thank you, but I will dip a Cheeto in the mustard and I did it and I thought it was really tasty and so now I'll still eat it. So I'm thinking that we have a very interesting situation here where we both liked that Sorry, guys, our cat we're. This is real life.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they only act up when we're recording.
Speaker 2:So but I tried it and I thought it was delicious and I think it's very interesting that both of the things that we tried kind of sound similar a little bit yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now we eat ranch on our pizza.
Speaker 2:That happened. So I've always loved ranch. It's one of my favorite things and I will actually think about a meal based around ranch, Like what can I, what can I get to go with my ranch? It's like a food group and one of my friends makes fun of me and he's like Rache, because I actually like when you're going to somebody's house and may say we're going to have a salad First of all. Salad to some people means one thing and to me it means another. For me, salad is lettuce and cheese and croutons and maybe some bacon and eggs, but I, you know, I'm a chicken nuggets kind of gal or meat and potatoes kind of person, so I never know. These people tend to enjoy vinaigrettes, which I do not, so I usually take with me an A-Bottle of Hidden Valley Ranch in my purse.
Speaker 1:So she has a bottle of emergency ranch in her purse. This is not a lie. This is the absolute truth.
Speaker 2:Not all the time.
Speaker 1:Not all the time.
Speaker 2:It's just when we're invited somewhere because, like, I don't want to be rude but I also don't want to be unprepared. So there's that.
Speaker 1:Question number three Do you have any hidden talents?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't call it a hidden talent, but I have had the preamble to the Constitution memorized since the fourth grade.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Let's hear it.
Speaker 2:We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. End scene.
Speaker 1:That's really cool. I'm saluting you. What about you? Yes, I have a hidden talent I can dislocate my left thumb and pop it back into place at will.
Speaker 2:That, in all honesty, it just looks like you're moving your thumb back and forth.
Speaker 1:I mean nobody can see this, but how do I know?
Speaker 2:that that's really dislocating.
Speaker 1:Actually it may not be. I think I'm just double-jointed.
Speaker 2:But what about? That is double-jointed. Okay, here's what's going to happen. Because you guys can't see this, I will just video it and then y'all can let me know if this guy is double-jointed or not. I know you will be chomping at the bits to check that out.
Speaker 1:I also know part of a small monologue from my favorite movie of all time, Blade Runner. Is that a?
Speaker 2:hidden talent. Sure, can we get a little preamble. I know what you're talking about. This is Roy Batty.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, at the end of Blade Runner, where he gives a small speech to Harrison Ford's character, rick Deckard, on top of a building in the rain at night and he's holding a dove.
Speaker 2:Let's hear it. Can you get into character?
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me get into character here. Okay, here it is.
Speaker 2:You're a robot.
Speaker 1:I'm an android that was created four years ago and I'm about to die and these are my last words. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched sea beams glitter in the dark near the Tenhouser gates. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain Time to die and see.
Speaker 2:Excellent, excellent. You can tell when he's been spending time with theater people, when he's like oh, I can do a model log now. Anybody who is a tree theater person knows that we do that.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, I won't get any roles for that, but I know that.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the club Lopez. I think this is question number four. I don't even know and I'm not worried about the consistency, to be completely frank.
Speaker 1:I think we should just say here's the next question.
Speaker 2:Sure, let's do that. Here's the next question. Were you ever part of any kind of club or group when you were in grade?
Speaker 1:school I think I was. I mean, it's been so long ago, I'm an old I was in an art club and I think it was just me and maybe two or three other people, and most likely I think we just sat around and drew and talked about comics, because that was I mean. Comics is art. Yeah, especially to. You know, a small child, that's like the first, one of the first things that they're exposed to.
Speaker 2:Sure. So what grade were you in, though you said a small child.
Speaker 1:I think maybe middle school, okay, something like that, but yeah, yeah, I think that was about it for me. What about you? Were you in any clubs?
Speaker 2:I was in two clubs. I was in the George Michael fan club. I was in junior high and really hope to marry George Michael but for multiple obvious reasons that never worked out. It would never have worked out for me. But then I also had like an anti-drug group. It was me and three other girls and I don't remember what started it, except that it was very much in the 80s where it was like the dare stuff and all of that. But I mean, it was important to me too, like it was important. So it really it was the early 90s and so basically we would just go to the park and talk about how drugs were bad, over like tuna fish sandwiches that my mom would make us and Cheetos and don't need some cookies, and probably talk about who we had crushes on, and then again, maybe just to wrap it up, how drugs were bad, we would reiterate it and don't do drugs, and but our hearts were really in the right place. We just um, yeah, I don't think that we really accomplished anything, but that was my club.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's the next question. Were you ever part of a school talent show?
Speaker 2:I was yes, so we danced to Electric Youth by Debbie Gibson and I made up the dance, and so I think well, if you don't, really know me that.
Speaker 2:Well then, you don't know that I love dance. I'm not a great dancer but I love it, and I grew up on dance movies like Footloose and Girls Just Wanna have Fun and stuff like that, um, so I've been a huge fan of them. So I really tried to incorporate dance. It's not like I was bad at it, it's just that I yes, I had much better talents than dancing, but I did it and I was really proud of myself, like as a kid, to do that it was kind of a fearless thing to do.
Speaker 1:What about you? That's very cool. Uh in uh. In high school I wrote a play.
Speaker 2:What? How do I know? Why don't I know this?
Speaker 1:It was really bad and it was pretty much a ripoff of Breakfast Club. Um, do you still have it? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:So it's, a no then.
Speaker 1:Like we were sectioned off into like three or four different groups and each group was supposed to write a play. The group I was in, I was, uh, voted to be the playwright. Okay, nice, but I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to write the play, okay, no one else did, and so they all voted me for me to be the writer. That was awesome. So I was like I don't want to do this, but, okay, fine, and it was just basically Breakfast Club at at the school I was going to, but what was it called? I don't even think it had a name.
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 1:I don't think it even had a name and I used the names from the characters from Breakfast Club oh, wow, okay, and it was just a bunch of, you know, kids talking about their problems. But one of the characters played one of the teachers at the high school and every time he came in he would stuff a pillow under his shirt. In your play yeah, and the play that I wrote anytime he had a scene, like in his first scene he would have one pillow stuffed under his shirt, and the next scene that he came in he would have two, and the next scene he would have three. He just got progressively fatter.
Speaker 2:Where is he getting the pillows from Props.
Speaker 1:Apparently, you know the prop department had a lot of pillows. That was his own choice to do that. Also, that was not written in the script and the play was kind of serious. But anytime he would walk in, his belly would be a lot bigger and people would laugh. And so my artistic vision was overshadowed by this guy's big gut.
Speaker 2:Okay, wait, so this was the guy in. Was this high school? Yeah, this was like ninth or tenth grade, so it's the guy playing this character decided that that's what he was going to do.
Speaker 1:Yes, Come in with the. Oh okay, he was the class like clown Awesome.
Speaker 2:That is, I love that.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:Was there a lesson that you learned as a child that you keep with you today?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was a latchkey kid growing up, and for those of you who don't know what that is, a latchkey kid is a child who sees, stays home by himself while their parents are at work, and so they have to learn to be somewhat self-sufficient at home, and so that was one thing that I learned growing up. I was raised by a single mother, and so she was at work for a few hours before being able to come home.
Speaker 1:And I got out of school around three or three-thirty, something like that and so I would be at home by myself and I would wash the dishes and clean up the place and vacuum.
Speaker 2:Oh man, you were way better kid than I was.
Speaker 1:I would do the laundry. It really helped me to become self-sufficient.
Speaker 2:For most of the time growing up, my mom was a single mom as well, and that's tough when you're the main breadwinner in the family.
Speaker 2:So something that I learned very early on is that money just doesn't fall from trees and that everything that we had she worked for that just to me to this day just sticks with me and I'm just going to try not to cry even thinking about it because she just did so much to ensure that not only that we had the things that we needed, but that we understood how we got them. Because I remember when we were little we would be like mom, just go to the ATM, to the money machine, because we didn't understand how that worked, and of course later she explained. But so there were things that we couldn't always do like some of the other kids were doing, but she did find a way for us to do lots of things and we had a really great childhood because of it and because of everything that she did. So what stuck with me the most was the sacrificial choices that you sometimes have to make for your family and for the sake of your family. So, mom, if you're listening, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thanks mom.
Speaker 2:In your opinion, what animal closely represents me?
Speaker 1:I would say a happy puppy, a happy chatty barky puppy, specifically a happy chatty barky Yorkshire terrier. What?
Speaker 2:Those are so yippie why.
Speaker 1:They like to talk. They like to talk. There's nothing wrong with liking to speak, to talk.
Speaker 2:But why specifically a dog?
Speaker 1:Because they're lovable, no matter what. They can be vocal about things, they have opinions about a lot of things, but they're still very cute and adorable and you still love them. Yeah, so that's what I would say either either the Yorkshire Terrier or Samoyed. They're also kind of. They're also kind of talkative, they look like white huskies, like stark white huskies. They're beautiful dogs. We used to have one and it was awesome. Her name was Muffy.
Speaker 2:You're. You say I'm beautiful and chatty, but adorable yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'll make it and wait like a simple. That's amazing. I'm so glad I wasn't drinking Just now, oh.
Speaker 1:So is there an animal?
Speaker 2:that I think you're like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah 100%.
Speaker 2:There's two of them. Oh boy, one is a turtle. I.
Speaker 1:Can see that I agree with you there.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing about turtles like they, typically people think that they move really slowly and Sometimes you do that, sure, but also turtles are kind of fun, like if I just saw a video the other day where there was a turtle it was a small one and he was on this guy's desk and he would get on the guy's phone and slide down the phone.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and then the dude would move him and he can get back on the phone and slide back down again. So like they are very fun and according to Leslie note, they're condescending. But I have not found you to be condescending, so thank you. And then also a cat. You have like a cat personality. Yeah, you used to bathe all the time, like when we first got together. You take like two or three showers a day to with the most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you were like I like to be clean and you know fine. But yeah, you just remind me of the cat, because you're a little bit complicated and some cats can be chatty but lots of cats aren't and you have to sort of work for their affection. They have to kind of fill you out, and not that I have to work for your affection, but I mean like cats have to fill you out before they're just like oh yeah, we can be cool, we can be friends when, as the dogs like that's me, like hey, let's be friends. So yeah, I can see the happy puppy for sure, because that's how I feel, but a cat is more like, hmm, yes, yeah, I don't know you.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I kind of agree with with that, especially the turtle, more specifically like a sea turtle. And let me tell you why.
Speaker 2:I have with painted breasts.
Speaker 1:So on land, sea turtles can be, you know, slow and clumsy. It's not their natural habitat, so they can be, you know, kind of a nuisance or whatever. But once they hit the water, once they're in the ocean, they swim around and they're super graceful and they kind of have an idea of what they're doing. So maybe I'm, when I'm out in public I'm the turtle that's on land, but if I'm like working or if I'm, you know, if I'm, if I'm doing some graphic design or some illustration, I think that's the sea turtle part coming out.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:Okay, next question Yep, do you have a guilty pleasure TV show? I?
Speaker 2:Mean. I have stuff that I watched. That can be kind of embarrassing to admit to people that I watch. I have seen Okay, whatever I'm just gonna. I have seen one tree hill no less than a zillion times and I don't know why I have watched it so many times. I feel kind of like at this point that they're my friends and can you call lines from the show because you've seen it so much?
Speaker 2:Yes, and I'm not going to do it, so do not ask me. A part of the reason I liked it is because there was a lot of music in it and I thought that the music choices were pretty good and and so, yeah, that would have to be mine. I.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Let's hear yours, lopez.
Speaker 1:Mine actually. Now it's probably not a guilty pleasure, but when I first watched it it definitely was what that would be Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 2:Amazing.
Speaker 1:At first. I would catch, you would be watching it, I would be in the office or somewhere doing something.
Speaker 2:You not catch me watching it. I was just watching it openly without a care.
Speaker 1:And I would walk by and I would see you watching it and I would be like whatever, some chick show. And then, as time went on, I would walk by again and I would kind of watch the show for a couple of minutes and then leave, and then, as more time passed, I would come in and watch. I would sit down and watch some of the show.
Speaker 2:You started from the hallway. You started in the hallway and you make some kind of rude comment about whatever they were talking about or how fast they talked.
Speaker 1:They spoke very fast on the show.
Speaker 2:And then you, like, moved over towards the couch and then you would ask some questions and I would be like what do you care? Or something? I don't know what I said Probably something more quick-witted than that and then finally you sat the armrest yeah, on the armrest.
Speaker 1:And then eventually you just went ahead and slid down onto the couch and then I became invested in the characters and I learned their names and I got invested in the story.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because at the time we were renting these from Blockbuster. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And then they I forget what season it was, but it's when Rory goes off to college. And then the season ends and you're like, wait, what happens when Rory goes off to college? It was, of course, I knew because I was rewatching, because I had watched the show when it was actually on TV. And so you're like I gotta know what happens when Rory goes to college, because you're so invested. And then do you remember how excited you were when those four brand new episodes came out from?
Speaker 1:years ago, I was very excited on Netflix.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I was very excited about that.
Speaker 2:That was good stuff.
Speaker 1:Luke Danes is my spirit animal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you totally 100% dress like him every single day.
Speaker 1:He's my fashion guru. Yeah, Do you have a go-to karaoke song? And if you do, what is it?
Speaker 2:Okay, so it used to be killing me softly by the Foochies, but at my 40th birthday party we did karaoke, and now my favorite one is one that we do together, and it's a little song called the Most Beautiful Girl in the Room.
Speaker 1:That's right. How does that one go?
Speaker 2:Looking around the room I can tell the two are the most beautiful girl in the room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the whole wide room.
Speaker 2:We do not own this song. Flight of the Concord. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Copyright Flight of the Concord. Please don't sue us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, that's, definitely that's your go-to. I mean now it would be because I don't have to do it by myself. It's silly, it's funny and it's fun to do that with you. I think we laughed through most of it. Yeah, yeah, what about you? We were in Dallas hanging out with my cousin our cousin now and we were playing some kind of game like American Idol game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was American.
Speaker 2:Idol Right, and I thought I had it made because I was singing an Annie Lennox song but I forgot how many like O's and stuff that she did in it. So Simon Cowell was like you are horrible and as horrible as my British accent just was. I promise I can do a better one, but I'm not going to do that right now. But anyway, and then you sang. What did you sing, jesse?
Speaker 1:I sang Sister Christian.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:By Night Ranger.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. Yes, it is. I think it's Night Ranger.
Speaker 1:I sang Sister Christian. I pretty much nailed it.
Speaker 2:You did nail it. You sang that high note and I was like what is even happening? It was like going into another dimension. I had no idea you could do it.
Speaker 1:I got rave reviews from Simon Cowell.
Speaker 2:You did, you won, I think you won, I won.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got first place. Were you any good at video games as a kid? And if you were, what games were they? You know, you know, I do know. Anyone who's played me knows you become a totally different person when you play this game. I do.
Speaker 2:Even when I'm talking about it, I can feel it like rising up within me where I'm like total domination. But seriously, mario Kart, super Mario Kart on the N64, that was my jam dude and I loved it and I would play it. I didn't really get a chance to play it right when it was first released, but I got one when I was in college and a freshman. So I would play that and I would turn down the music. I know the music and I've memorized the music. But I would turn down the music and I would play the Goo Goo Dolls, dizzy Up the Girl CD and so I could play these courses really well, because I kind of, you know, it becomes like muscle memory and you hear this part of the song and this is when you do this and this is when you do that, and yeah, but now they have drifting and all these crazy things and so I'm not as good at it as I was.
Speaker 1:But I still don't know how to drift.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nobody can believe him, so don't believe him when he says he's not good at things no seriously, because what will happen is he'll beat you. It happens every time.
Speaker 1:If I drift, it's purely by accident. If I win, it's purely by accident. I'm not good at the. I'm a button masher.
Speaker 2:So what? But were you good at any specific games?
Speaker 1:I was really good at this game from the 80s. It was an arcade game. I think later on Atari, you know put it out on their system.
Speaker 2:Like you, went to the actual arcade to play this game.
Speaker 1:I went to the arcade to play this game. It was called Tempest and I'm probably dating myself by saying that, but it was basically just a wireframe game and it had these. It was all like geometric shapes that would come at you from the middle of the screen and you had to shoot them before they got to you and I loved that game and I would probably still play that game. I haven't played it in a really long time and I'll probably be really horrible at it, but it was a lot of fun to play.
Speaker 2:What about a game that, like you, enjoyed but you were really bad at? Did you have one of those?
Speaker 1:Yeah, actually. Yeah, it was another wireframe game, it was the Star Wars game and actually your cousin and my cousin Trey, owns that game.
Speaker 2:Oh, the one. It is how that was next to the Lego thing that you knocked over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I demolished it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's another story for another day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can talk about that in some other point.
Speaker 2:But okay, I didn't know, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a fun game. Yeah, I couldn't beat it at all. It was really hard for me, but it was. It was a lot of fun, of course, because it was Star Wars, I loved it.
Speaker 2:So mine was did you remember that game, Marble Madness? Yes, where you're a marble and you're going and I even remember the music and then the sound of falling off of the screen. It was like it sounds like a herd dog.
Speaker 1:That's the one that had the trackball right that you had to roll around the ball to get them.
Speaker 2:It's a marble, yes, and you're rolling the marble around. And then I I loved the game, but I was terrible at it, so, and I don't think I ever met anybody who was good at it, so maybe it was all of us.
Speaker 1:All right, here's kind of a neat one. What was your first concert?
Speaker 2:I mean it was that neat, it was Petra and I always made and here's the thing is I almost always kind of say Pantera, which is completely opposite. That would have been an amazing first concert to go to, but it was Petra, which was a Christian heavy rock band, and but that's all I remember. I don't remember if I enjoyed it I. I lived in Gatesville at the time and so we drove to Waco to see it, and but I don't remember who I was with. I don't remember really much of anything.
Speaker 1:Where do they play?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I have no idea. But yeah, that was my first concert and I just remember thinking I wish it was Striper, but and I know that you know who Striper is- I do know who Striper is, and any OGs will probably know who Striper is or was, but what yeah?
Speaker 1:it was cool.
Speaker 2:I know the answer about your first concert and I think that it's kind of wild.
Speaker 1:So I had an awesome first concert. How old were you? I was about 12 years old when I went to my very first concert. My mom took me. We went to go see Prince in concert in Austin at the Frank Irwin Center.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Sheila E opened for him and she brought a guy on stage from from the audience and was like all dancing up on him and stuff. It was crazy. And then Prince came out and did a bunch of his stuff. This was like peak Prince. This was around the time Purple Rain had come out and so it was like all just amazing to see. And you know, prince being Prince. He was kind of, you know, risque in some parts. Yeah, and I was. I was 12 when I was watching this, but it was. It was a really, really great show. So he was an amazing performer and I have a t-shirt somewhere that's probably worth a few hundred dollars. I don't know if it is or not, but it might be. But that was my first show and I had a blast. It was awesome. I'll never forget it. Thanks, mom.
Speaker 2:So thanks for joining us again. Like we said before, we're just sort of rolling with this and kind of see where it goes, and we have a basic idea of direction, but you never know, things could change.
Speaker 1:We're just kind of winging it sort of structured winging.
Speaker 2:But we appreciate you joining us on the journey and we hope to catch you next time. Thanks, guys.